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Soooo... as some of you may know, I used to own a wolf/german shepherd hybred, Kerby.
I loved him to death, but we couldn't keep him due in part because of our small house and small yard, but the bigger issue was his growing aggression...
he bit the neighbor boy, bit the dog trainer, and was showing a bit of prey drive towards my then learning-to-crawl daughter.  

He wasn't a bad dog at all.. he was a wolf!  that's what they do.  
Anyway we found him a great home and it all worked out... buuuut.. still in the back of my mind I keep remembering how cool he was (when he wasn't doing the bad wolf habits) and how someday it would be so awesome if it ever worked out to have a similar dog...

Well, recently I discovered that there may be a way to have the best of both worlds.  A dog who looks like a wolf, but acts like a family friendly dog.  

The two breeds I've been looking at are the Northern Inuit:
[link]

and the Native American Indian Dog:
[link]

Now, I've been researching both a TON and reading as much info as I can find..

The Northern Inuit seems like a more solid breed (they've been around longer than the NAID's), and I've found very little bad press about them.  The only problem is that there doesn't seem to be any breeders in the US...

The NAID's i'm a little more attracted to (being of slight Cherokee heritage).. I like the idea behind them, they're bigger than the NI's, there ARE breeders in the USA...
buuuuut i've also found some rather negative info about them... that there is indeed wolf blood in the breed (I do NOT want another dog that I have to give up because it can't be family-friendly!), mostly being my main concern.

Anyways it will be a few years before we move into a bigger house with a bigger back yard, and so I can't get a big dog until then.  That gives me a lot of time to think..
So I was just wondering if any of you had heard of these dogs (or similar breeds), have any information, opinions, advice..
I'd love to hear it!

thankie ^^
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:iconavalik:
Never buy an animal solely on looks. It ends up the animal is a horrible match (ie: your wolf-dog) and it either ends up destroyed or abandoned in most cases.

Instead, answer these questions, which are the most important questions, not "does this dog look pretty to me?"

1. What grooming needs can I handle?
a. Can I handle a dog that needs brushing every day, regular visits to the groomer, and regular baths? (ie: Poodle, Puli) Or would I prefer a dog with little or no grooming needs (short hair dogs)
b. Do I want a dog that sheds? Or would I prefer a hairless, to save the furniture from misfortune?
c. Should I be concerned about allergies in the family to fur? Should I get an allergen-free dog? (ie: Poodle, Tibetan Terrier)

2. What exercise needs can I handle?
a. Do I have the time/energy to physically take out the dog for several walks a day and not just let him "exercise" in the yard on his own.
b. If not, should I consider a dog that only needs to be walked once a day, a few times a week, or a dog that would be happier with a yard to play in, and no walks?

3. How much space can I provide?
a. If I want a high-energy working or hunting dog, can I provide a yard large enough for him to play in when I am not spending time with him?
b. If I want a large dog, is my house large enough to accomodate him?

4. Do I have enough money for a dog?
a. Can I provide my dog with vaccinations, food, water, toys, training, shelter, and medical attention when needed?
b. If I choose a breed with known medical problems, am I going to put him down when one arises, or will I devote enough money for him?

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Those are of semi-importance, what is most important is the following:

5. Does the rest of the family want a dog? Can you agree on the dog you want?

6. Am I buying the dog as an accessory? (ie: buying them because they look pretty, look like a wolf, etc)

7. Can I set aside enough time to train the dog, and do I have the capability of training the dog?
a. If I don't, do I have enough money/time to send him to obedience training?
b. Should I perhaps buy a 'smart' dog, or known less-aggressive dog, to make training easier?
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The questions of least importance, and in fact have no value at all:

1. Do I like how the dog looks?

From what you say, the first question you asked yourself was about the looks. You said "I want a dog that looks like wolf" (which is a step up from 'I want a wolf' I suppose)

Which you then narrowed yourself to two dogs, based on ONE, irresponsible, question.

Perhaps that breed will fit well, however I would suggest not basing everything on aesthetics.

If you can answer some of these questions for me, I can certainly refer you to a dog, however I am not going to refer you to a dog that 'looks like a wolf.'
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*Novawuff Sep 23, 2008  Professional General Artist
I really appreciate your concern for me making sure I get the right kind of dog! Perhaps what I should have included in my journal entry is that I have indeed gone down your list of important questions...have given them a TON of thought, actually, and I know what (whether it looks like a wolf or not) kind of dog I'm looking for.
It just so happens (to my great delight) that there ARE dogs out there that would fit perfectly into our lifestyle (as I stated in my entry, in a couple of years when we have a larger yard and the kids are a little older), who DO look like wolves...
Right now I own a border collie/australian shepherd mix.. she looks nothing like a wolf, but we adopted her because she fits our needs and desires for a dog right now. She's a super gal and we love her!

I do think looks matter, though.. defenitely NOT as much as personality or how well a dog will fit into your lifestyle, but I think you do need to like the way your dog looks. That doesn't mean it has to be show-quality, it just has to appeal to you in some way or another..
and I just happen to love the 'wolfy' looking dogs. I love that they seem closest to nature, closest to the "original" dog, I think they're just amazingly beautiful.

So I guess what I'm trying to find is a way to "have my cake and eat it too", so to speak..
by getting a dog who has the looks I'm just crazy over, but also finding one who can live a long and happy life as a member of our family.
Does that make sense at all?
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:iconavalik:
Yes I definitely understand. Sorry for misunderstanding.

And I do agree that looks do have some importance, such as you don't want a dog you'll cringe at (ie: Xolo dog), and chances are the more you like the look of your dog, the more you'll walk it and groom it (groom to keep pretty, walk to show off)

You wouldn't feel too proud walking a dirty ugly mongrel, so I understand.

Anyways, in that case, first I'd like to say is that both the dogs you mentioned have wolf blood in them. The Northern Inuit is a mix of German Shepard, Husky, Malamute, Wolf, and other unknown breeds.

The NAIDS are actually claimed to be extinct by many people, and ones that are claimed to be are re-creations, so you won't be knowing what you get. Not to mention, they actually don't look anything like a wolf... though they do have wolf in them.

Then there is the Saarlooswolfhond and Kunming (Chinese) Wolfdog, I don't know too much about them, so I'll just... give you the name. I heard they aren't very good pets though.

The Tamaskan dog is believed to have wolf, but people aren't sure. If it was a wolfdog, unlike all other wolfdogs, they are an ideal family pet compared to a true hybrid. They are the dog that looks most like a wolf.

There is the Utonagan, which looks ... a little... like a wolf, but no wolf blood. Very similar to Northern Inuit, because they originally came from the same batch of dogs.

The Czechoslovakian Vlcak looks a lot like a wolf, and are ideal work dogs. They aren't usually kept as pets as far as I know, but seeing as they are ideal work dogs they should fit well into a family. It does has wolf in it though.

Okay anyways... some other dogs that look like wolf are:
Lupo Italiano
Siberian Husky
British Inuit
Jämthund/Swedish Elkhound
Alaskan Malamute
Japanese Wolfdog/Shikoku (VERY RARE, but beautiful. They are the closest decendant of the extinct Japanese wolf)
West Siberian Laika
Sulimov Dog
and then German Shepard hybrids, which really look nothing like a wolf.

Anyways if you had to choose, I'd go with Tamaskan or Czechoslovakian Vlcak dog, they look the most wolfish, and also happen to be the best tempered.

I do recommend however getting a 'teen dog' if it has wolf in it. This is because it is hard to tell the temper of a puppy of a wolfdog (what it will be like as an adult) and yet you should introduce them to cats, babies, etc, younger.

Ideally you could find a puppy and continually visit it until it is an adult and then choose.

Good luck :D
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:icondarkkotawolf:
You know...its possible.
If you like wolves to get a wolf. Though it takes a bit of requirements with legal documents and such.
It is also posssible to control a wolf and have a sense of "dominance" over it. Any canine of any breed can be taught how to be obidient no matter what people refer to as their instincts. If you would like to know more about it I can sned you various links. ^_^ the inuit looks sooooo cute!
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*Novawuff Sep 22, 2008  Professional General Artist
I know... but I had a wolf.. and I loved him; he was soooo amazingly awesome...
but this time around, I just want a dog with a doggy brain..
maybe later in life when things are different, I can try again with the wolf :}
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~Wyla Sep 22, 2008  Hobbyist
I own a 3 year-old Northern Inuit bitch called Iyola [ [link] is her current photo-page; she might not be very wolfy-looking but she truly is a love to have], I believe a half-sister of hers (same parents but from a litter of 2007) lives in the states currently. :) Quila is her name, I think her owner is called Rachelle; you can find them on the NIS forums easily enough!
There are three that I know of who have been exported to the states, all of which went very smoothly.

Iyola isn't the most wolfy looking of dogs, granted, but the N.I personality is what drew us in the most. Of course they can be a handful at times but I'm sure after hybrid experience, a mal/gsd/husky type breed will be easily understandable. She does take an interest in our ferrets, but only in a playful way. The videos at the bottom of her page show what she was like the first week we brought her home, now she simply ignores them. That said, I wouldn't chance her alone with them out of the run, but who would with a small animal? ;)

If you have any questions let me know, I'll be happy to help if I can! :D
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*Novawuff Sep 22, 2008  Professional General Artist
Ohhhh... I think even the NI's who aren't totally wolfish looking are still gorgeous! They seem so sleek and athletic..
How much did you pay for her, I wonder? that was one thing I couldn't seem to find on any of the breeder's pages, was a price range.

And yeah.. I think there's very few dogs out there, no matter what breed, who wouldn't be interested in a bouncy ferret XD
I'll have to check out her page! thanks!
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~Wyla Sep 23, 2008  Hobbyist
Hehe XD We paid just over £150 for her; although she was a rescue dog, she's a good standard for the breed and has been bred from before, and is still entire. Even though we won't be breeding her - and are getting her spayed soon - I think the price was partly due to her being possible good 'stock.'
From what I've seen puppies tend to sell anywhere from £300-£600, depending on breeder and colour really! o__o The cheapest option by far is rehoming an older dog, or sometimes the pups who need a different home. :)
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I would definately do a lot of research if you're considering the NAID. They have a lot negative stories as well as positive ones surrounding them. They are also often grouped with the Indian Dog (a dog 'breedi' that I personally found very attractive not only for their appearance but for their reputed 'spiritually instictive' nature), bred by Kim Laflamme, which has even more bad bad press. I did my own research on these two breeds a little while ago and was sorely disapointed by what I found. While there were plenty of testemonials as the dogs being great pets with no reason for anyone to doubt their authenticity there are some horror stories about people getting dogs that eventually end up become highly aggressive and having to live outside way from the family, etc.

Something I would look at besides authenticity is how these people are breeding their dogs. They're making a mint selling these dogs for thousands of dollars (another questioning point, I would think. How much are you willing to pay for a name?). How many times a year do they breed their dogs? How many dogs do they breed? How many times does one dog get bred? Irresponsible breeders breed their dogs as much as they can without much regard as to how this affects the population of dogs as well as the dogs being bred. Another thing to look at is the condition of the dogs in the pictures. Do they look well groomed and well-fed, or /over-fed/? A dog that looks overweight may not be getting enough attention. He's getting enough food, but the owner is probably not giving him the exercise he needs to maintain a healthy weight. A good resource about looking for online breeders is [link]

It sounds a bit.. I don't know, materialistic maybe, but you really should 'shop around'. For instance, compare the Majestic View dogs to Kiana kennels ( [link] ). It doesn't appear that you're looking for a husky but this is just a comparison. On the Kiana Siberians website you not only see the dogs but also what they have achieved. They have a few dogs who as many as eight titles. Now you may not be interested in doings things like that with your dog but seeing that a puppy's parents have all those show you what your puppy could achieve and thus what its intelligence and temperment are likely to be. Looking at their dogs all of them are healthy looking (Well groomed, fit, happy, etc). They also have information on each dog, which shows you that they know their dogs and really care about them. Also on each dog's page is some health information, such as their eye and hip scores. This is definately something you should want from any breeder you're paying a high price to for a puppy, a guarentee of their health. I didn't see any statistics like this on the NAID site, nor did I see much as far as little bios on their dogs.

When it comes down to it you're going to make your own choice where/who you get your dog from. The best we can do is wish you luck and advise caution!
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*Novawuff Sep 22, 2008  Professional General Artist
Thanks for all the advice and info!
I've got a couple years before I can get ANY big dog.. (right now our place is too small..) , so I'm trying to research as much as I can so that I can make the best decision..
the NAID's are very pretty and it seems like there's a lot of .. er... fanfare about them.. but like you said, I've also found some horror stories..
that the lady who began the breed shot the dogs with too much wolf blood in them.. stuff like that.
And it does seem like the breeders are taking advantage of the popularity of the dog... making a lot of money without very good breeding practices. I dunno. Seems like it might be a bit of a gamble..
I've emailed the lady who owns Majestic View, and she's never written me back.. If I did get a NAID, I wouldn't get one from her :P
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